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Grand Final: NzAs1 vs NZR


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#1 Mattskeez Posted 26 May 2013 - 10:59 AM

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Round 1: Kill Confirmed - Yemen NZR Win 99 - 76

NZR rocketed to a 25-30 tag lead by playing a what we call a "FV" approach to the running gametype by situating themselves as a group/team in the room by B Search & Destroy. With what I must say with 2 or 3 lmg's destroying us from distant and a couple hiding in corners for close quarters collecting of the tags and to eliminate any of NzAs that got close to their room. After we managed to take the room and stop their spawn there. The game started to become more even. nFusion managed to work his way past NZR's defence midgame and pulled an abundance of hell storms, lightning strikes, and a VSAT things started to go our way and our rushing running gameplay started to pay off. But it was just simply to late to pull back the large deficit NZR had gained at the start. GG. A frowned upon approach to a running gametype but in my eyes you cant criticize a gameplan that is as effective as that was.

Round 2: Hardpoint - Carrier NzAs1 Win 232 - 201

With NZR's clear advantage on long range gunning against us it occurred to me that this map would really suit NZR a lot more than us. But with a few changes and tactical classes we were able cap the sites enough to take the win. Looking at the leaderboards after the game NZR were clearly the winning team. But unfortunately with gametypes like hardpoint, headquarters, and domination. Kills don't mean anything. And NzAs1 are a very objective team that would be happy to die 100 times as long as they achieve the objective which was the case here. NZR outplayed us from range but the close quarters skills of NzAs and positioning of tacs and overall positioning proved superior over a sitting back approach. That 3 or 4 of NZR were. Which was the difference between the scores at the end. NZR pulled a VSAT when we had a decent lead and things instantly changed. But as the first game went a VSAT pulled when your behind wasn't enough for NZR to win. NZR dominated the middle site by the crashed helicopter but that was the only site they really controlled. With their lmg long range skills this was not a surprise. There were occasions NZR had anchor and tacs advantage where they were able to hold the outter sites. But the close quarters skills pulled NzAs through to take the win. GG close game.

Round 3: Domination - Drone NzAs1 Win 181 - 162

Once again. LMG's...... Not meaning them running them as.... But map selection..... wow. Dom and Hardpoint are 2 of our best gametypes but man did we get some very open exposed maps lol. The gameplan NzAs ran to cap b at the start worked really well and we got both a and b. But unfortunately we instantly lost our position and NZR took b. It was a constant dog fight for b in the first half with both teams capping it the same amount. But with NZR take a 15 point lead going into the change sides. After the change we ran the same gameplan that proved dominant as we took b instantly again but this time put our tacs in smarter places away from emps. The 15 point deficit was quickly pulled in when 3 of our team members started to pull their hellstorms and lightning strikes which was really the game winner. NZR managed to take b twice in the second half but for very short periods of time compared to the first half which I think makes it clear the A side of Drone is the easier to hold with both teams winning their half from that side. Only difference I see is the scorestreaks and positioning of tacs and players as I think NZR struggled with the C side when attacking B. Great game. We just simply had the scorestreaks ready near the end when we need them. GG

Round 4: Search & Destroy - Hijacked - NzAs1 Win 4 - 2

With some of the past few s & d's my team has played its really showed that we simply don't play it enough anymore. But with a different gameplan and one we thought would rock NZR's sit back approach it really did work. We pulled the attack round for round 1 and NZR's defence proved strong by eliminating all of us for maybe one casualty. Then with NzAs on d it was the same story other than an error made by my boys by letting a plant go down at a. But it was soon flushed out to win the round. Defence proved easier and with both teams 2-2 after having 2 rounds each of d. It was NzAs turn to attack. Even though I knew we had a defensive round in hand it is always a mindset thing when you are 3-2 down, one round off losing whether you are on defence or not. So I said this round as a must win. We attacked from both sides of the boat. We ran RISS-NZL as a surprise rush right side and he instantly took out their strongest defensive area over A. With a couple of players getting double feeds and me getting a nade, NZR were cleaned out with only 2 of our casualties. Going into the final round 3-2 up and defending aswell the boys felt we had it in the bag but no one actually said that as we all know how shakey we are on what used to be our best gametype. But with defensive advantage and well placed d we took the win and ended it at 4-2. I managed to rack up a uav, hunter killer, care package that produced a guardian for the last round that made our defensive round easier to dominate. Thrilling game. GG

Round 5: Capture The Flag - Plaza - NZR Win 1 - 0

All I can say about this game is it came down to one cap lol... Both teams showed good defence. But with NZR timing their attack well with a group of them they managed to get our flag. Nuiean_allstar had a hellstorm on the flag carrier but missed "LOL". But hey doesn't matter. It was a tough game for me as I struggled big time with host lag. But looking at the gameplay going on around me and the scoreboard it was a really tight even game that really only came down to 1 cap. Neither team really got close to capping the flags at all other than the one that was capped where our team actually had their flag when they had ours. But they managed to hunt our carrier down which got them the cap. Once again NZR those lmg's wow lol. Certain gametypes and situations they prove to be dominant.

BTW Question for everyone or anyone. My host lag that I get quite often really hit me hard on this game. I was getting beaten to the bullet by ar's when im running dex, quickdraw and toughness incase I get hit. But honestly man its a lag you cant explain till you've had it. Example you have 4 bars "obviously" because your host but 1v1's you just never win. I shoot first constantly but the bullets just seem to be absorbed and it shows as no hitmarkers. I know people get this from overseas hosts. But this is different. Playing on an aussy connection I can play around the lag to suit it. But this is completely different and I cant seem to do anything in game when this occurs. It's like playing on fast internet until close quarters then It turns into dial up almost lol. Smooth but its just weird. If anyone has any suggestions or anything for this that would be great because man its frustrating to be running the quickest shooting class you have available and you get beaten to the punch by an ar that isn't even running quickdraw lol.

Final Score: NzAs1 Win 3 - 2

IT WAS ALOT CLOSER THAN I WAS EXPECTING AND TO BE HONEST IT MADE THE GAME FRICKEN AWESOME TO WATCH AND BE A PART OF. CHEERS TO ALL OF NZR FOR YOUR GREAT SPORTSMENSHIP AND GREAT GAMES. PLUS MEGAT. DUDE TALK ABOUT TAKE EVERY LITTLE BIT OF ADVICE I GAVE YOU AT THE START OF THIS TOURNAMENT WHEN YOU WERE STRUGLING AND TURN IT ALL INTO GOLD!!!!! YOUR TEAM PLAYED INCREDIBLE AND IT IS AWESOME TO SEE A STRONG CLAN WITH LITTLE CLAN 6'S GROW AND LEARN SO MUCH OVER THE SHORT TIMEFRAME THIS TOURNAMENT HAS HAD. CONGRATUALTIONS ON YOUR AMAZING PERFORMANCE NZR - BIG UPS FROM ALL THE BOYS FROM NzAs1

Me and nFusion are looking into getting these game posted on YT. We have them all recorded and will get onto it next week.

CHEERS AXE. ITS BEEN MEAN


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#2 nFusion Posted 26 May 2013 - 08:46 PM

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Dude, awesome write up! I can understand why it wasn't a 5 minute job now haha. Here's some images from the games if anyone wants to have a look.

It's good to get our first 6's win. Afterwards all the boys were more than stoked with their efforts on what's been such an enjoyable tournament :). Big ups to Matt as well for running us boys and coming out with an awesome result

And again thanks to Axe for putting this all together for us. Mucho Gracious :lol:

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#3 RISS-NzAs11 Posted 26 May 2013 - 09:13 PM

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Nice wright up matt was such a good final
Thanks to axe for setting up such an awesome tournament had a load of fun playing in it and looking forward to 9 lives gunna be an epic tournament

#4 Mattskeez Posted 26 May 2013 - 10:15 PM

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Omg look at my score on CTF!!! See what I mean. I couldn't kill anyone with that host lag lol. If that game was the decider at 2 - 2 and we lost 1 - 0 with my score like that on the scoreboard. I literally would have cried lol
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#5 Axe99 Posted 26 May 2013 - 10:51 PM

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Well played to both sides, a stellar effort on all fronts, and a big congratulations to NzAs1 for taking out the competition B).  Heaps of great games, and a Grand Final for the record books to go along with that epic semi-final :D.  A big thanks to everyone that's taken part, this comp is right up there with the best of them :D.
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#6 nFusion Posted 26 May 2013 - 11:06 PM

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View PostMattskeez, on 26 May 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:

Omg look at my score on CTF!!! See what I mean. I couldn't kill anyone with that host lag lol. If that game was the decider at 2 - 2 and we lost 1 - 0 with my score like that on the scoreboard. I literally would have cried lol

Haha yeah but your SND made up for the CTF though
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#7 GraphicX Posted 27 May 2013 - 01:15 AM

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well done NzAs.

lol @ FV comment, we're hopeless at kill confirmed so i wouldn't copy us one bit.

re. host lag & how to avoid it; it's just lag compensation to bring you in line with the peers.  best way to avoid it is to not host, beyond that it's all random.  usually best in finals to not have the host playing just to keep everything even steven.

nothing to be ashamed of NZR, you guys played really fiercely & deserved to be in the finals, you've only just lost out this time round but who knows come next season.
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#8 Mattskeez Posted 27 May 2013 - 02:30 AM

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View PostGraphicX, on 27 May 2013 - 01:15 AM, said:

well done NzAs.

lol @ FV comment, we're hopeless at kill confirmed so i wouldn't copy us one bit.

re. host lag & how to avoid it; it's just lag compensation to bring you in line with the peers.  best way to avoid it is to not host, beyond that it's all random.  usually best in finals to not have the host playing just to keep everything even steven.

nothing to be ashamed of NZR, you guys played really fiercely & deserved to be in the finals, you've only just lost out this time round but who knows come next season.

I was referring to your gameplan on tdm against us as it was very similar. Nothing meant by it as I can always understand a team doing whatever it takes to win. Especially against my team lol
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#9 GraphicX Posted 27 May 2013 - 02:32 AM

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you have it in the kc match, but yeah tdm's pretty well a camp fest for us.  we used to always go in guns blazing but would get schooled so just defend nothing.
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#10 Mattskeez Posted 27 May 2013 - 02:37 AM

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Yea what I'm meaning is they used a similar gameplan to your tdm one that you used against us but on kc. Which I have never seen before on kc as we have always seen it as a rushing gametype. But weren't we proven wrong lol
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#11 GraphicX Posted 27 May 2013 - 02:46 AM

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this is pretty much how FV plays tdm;

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#12 Mattskeez Posted 27 May 2013 - 03:21 AM

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Ahahaha that's funny as bro
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#13 x-MegaT-x Posted 27 May 2013 - 09:48 AM

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It wasn't my intention for us to do that I told them to try stay together and move around the map but they got scared or something and just chilled in one place for a bit at the start haha but they ended up moving around after that and I went on my own little mission getting 35 confirms somehow ha

#14 nFusion Posted 27 May 2013 - 10:18 PM

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Yeah man they definitely stayed in pairs which was working eh
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#15 KILL_DEM_ALL Posted 30 May 2013 - 07:05 AM

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Looks like it was an epic final, congrats NzAs :D.

View PostMattskeez, on 26 May 2013 - 10:59 AM, said:

BTW Question for everyone or anyone. My host lag that I get quite often really hit me hard on this game. I was getting beaten to the bullet by ar's when im running dex, quickdraw and toughness incase I get hit. But honestly man its a lag you cant explain till you've had it. Example you have 4 bars "obviously" because your host but 1v1's you just never win. I shoot first constantly but the bullets just seem to be absorbed and it shows as no hitmarkers. I know people get this from overseas hosts. But this is different. Playing on an aussy connection I can play around the lag to suit it. But this is completely different and I cant seem to do anything in game when this occurs. It's like playing on fast internet until close quarters then It turns into dial up almost lol. Smooth but its just weird. If anyone has any suggestions or anything for this that would be great because man its frustrating to be running the quickest shooting class you have available and you get beaten to the punch by an ar that isn't even running quickdraw lol.

It's a 'Black Ops' thing, 1st thing I noticed on BO1 ffa - I'd shoot them 1st then they'd turn around and I'd die (like you said), never done that on MW2... and that's why I only played BO1 for a lil (1st prestige) and played MW2(56 days worth lol, legit 10th prestige took 25 days haha) pretty much only ffa till MW3.
It does it on BO2 but not as much... MW series gameplay is a lot better for rushers than BO.

#16 Saintsy Posted 30 May 2013 - 07:52 AM

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Lag compensation ruined cod (like it needed ruining anyway)

Its why i dont play any of the new cods, traded Mw3 in about 2-3 weeks after buying purely because i was beyond at a disadvantage being host all the time. Being in WA and host all the time, i get fucked on so much due to LC since majority of the lobby will be East coast or Nz. Most Nz's essentially got a "god mode" on my host.
Yet when our other host hosted (East coast host), i'd be able to play perfectly fine since id have some form of LC.
It wasnt really that noticable on Blops (for me as host) and Atleast with cod 4, when im hosting they die when i shoot them lol.

The only way that could slightly counter this is to not host at all
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#17 KILL_DEM_ALL Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:01 AM

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I never had a problem in Mw2 & 3, it was always an advantage being host :D

#18 I_live_4_fun Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:15 AM

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View PostKILL_DEM_ALL, on 30 May 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

I never had a problem in Mw2 & 3, it was always an advantage being host :D

Maybe you don't notice as much in MW3 because you dropshot everyone :P.

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#19 KILL_DEM_ALL Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:47 AM

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Hahaha maybe, I dropshot on BO2 too well half the time the other half it fricken dives lol, that feature really sucks when I try to duck bouncing betty's :lol:

#20 Saintsy Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:22 AM

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View PostKILL_DEM_ALL, on 30 May 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

I never had a problem in Mw2 & 3, it was always an advantage being host :D

The thing is, you probably only play core?
I've only ever been a hardcore S&D player so ive always had teh slight advantage being host. But then LC came along and i had to play core gamemodes for Mw3 purely because id get shat on in HC even if im camping and i shoot them first >.>

It's a shame we'll never see servers on cod, would actually make it playable...
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